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Genealogy of The Clan Gregor - 3 - The descendants of Eoin dubh

Back to 2 - The immediate descendants of Gregor, the founder of the Clan
Eoin dubh [4]
(~1350, died 1415 - 3rd chief)
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Maolcoluim / Malcolm [1] [5]
~1378 to d.1440
4th chief

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Alasdair [6]
~1383 to ~
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Eoin mhiocair [7]
~1381 to ~1450
vicar Fortingall 1406
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Padraig
~1385
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Raibart
~1390s
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Padraig / Patrick [2]
b.~1410 to d.1461
Glenstrae
5th chief

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Glenstrae chiefs
Eoghan / Ewan
b.~1420 to d. before 1488
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descendants of Ewan
Eoin Riabhach / Tonsured John
b.~1408
Fortingall
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Fortingal family
Padraig Chaoldich
b.~1425
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Patricksons
Dubhgall ciar [3]
b.~1425 alive 1488
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Clanndoulkeir

Maolcoluim beag
b.~1430 alive 1488








[1] Obit: 1440. April 20. Death of Malcolm son of John dhu MacGregor, at Glenurquhay,

[2] Obit: 1461. Death of Patrick MacGregor of Glenstray at Stronmelochane

The following discussion of the status of Patrick of Glenstrae was provided by Matt MacGregor.
It would appear, that this Patrick, Laird of Glenstrae was listed as #38 of the Lords and Barons of Scotland.
We assume that it is this Patrick of ruddy cheeks, Chief of Glenstrae, father of Eoin Dubh (who died in 1519), as the date for the recording of the Barons of Scotland was recorded under King James 1436-7
The apporation of Dominus is also replicant here as recorded amongst the other Lords, which shows the difference of title here.
The same is actually recorded, much more directly for his son john’s heir, his cousin Eoin McEwan who also has the title Dominus (Lord) recorded against him.
This is rather important for a number of reasons along with understanding the degree of later Campbell interference.
Note, within the full arms of Glenstrae I hold, which contains supporters, which directly counters Amelia’s claim of such never being granted to the prior MacGregors is completely incorrect, of note is the the helmet that separates the Shield and Crest which has it clearly visible, the helmet of high ranking nobility or royalty as it bares a barred helm. A rather important note regarding achievement of arms.

[3] 1488 list: John Donaldson; Gregor Patrickson; Alexander Patrickson; Malcolm beg MakRobert; Malcolm Duncanson; Dougal ker Duncan Johnisson

[4] Eoin Dubh, son of Padraig, (d 24th. May 1519) married as one of his wives Ealasaid from Glen Lyon.

[5] 2 January 1434 (ibid., 202) witness: Malcolmi Johannis gregorii = Gille-Coluim mac Eoin mhic Ghriogair witnessed delivery of sasine (in Latin) in the Glen Orchy lands to Cailean Campbell. This is consistent with Malcolm the chief being a son of Eion dubh and grandson of Gregor of the golden bridles.

[6] 16 October 1434 (AT) Alasdair mac Eoin mhic Ghriogair w. resignation by Eňghan mac Eňghain MacCorquodale, lord of Phantelan, to his overlord Donnchadh Campbell of Loch Awe. [Alasdair, second son of Eoin dubh]

[7] 20 October 1432 (Highland Papers iv, 200) 'Gregorio Johannis' [= John MacGregor] witnessed a latin charter of the Glen Orchy lands by Donnchadh Campbell lord of Loch Awe to Cailean Campbell. This would be either Eoin mhiocair - (John Vicar of Lismore, ~1350 to ~1450) or his son Eoin Riabhach (tonsured John, b~1408), both Fortingall and clerks in the service of the Glenorchy Campbells



1488 list:
John Donaldson;
Gregor Patrickson;
Alexander Patrickson;
Malcolm beg MakRobert;
Malcolm Duncanson;
Duncan Johnisson


Comments by Neil MacGregor

Tearlach Kerr is the son of Duncan as per the Deans book. Duncan Charlissoun is a tenant of Robert Menzies of Enoch in a series of documents in 1484-1492 along with Gregor duncanson. So I would suggest that tearlach ker is a son of Duncan who is a son of John the vicar and part of the fortingall line. This would also explain why he is mentioned with prominence in the Deans books where as the second and subsequent sons of the Glenstrae line are not mentioned. [Neil MacGregor]

26th October 1484. The Lords decree and deliver that Johne Stewart, Robert Menzeis, Robert M'Nare, Alexr. Finlawsoun M'Gillomartin, Donald M'Giltairr, Johne Rede Mengies, Finlaw Croy, Finlaw M'Amdy, Finlaw M'Nare, Robert Rede, Finlaw M'Antalzor, Fand Millar, Andro Finlysoun, Duncan Campbell, Marion Campbell, Gregor Duncanson, Duncan Charlisson, and the remnant or rest of the tenants and inhabitants of the land of Aberfeldy and Dalrawer, shall consent and pay to William of Rothune of that Ilk, Knight, the iiialis of the third of the two part of the lands of the Lordship of Weyme of the Whitsunday term gone past, and also that the said persons, with the tenants foresaid, shall content and pay to the said Sir William the ' malis ' and dewties of the two part of the land of the said lordship of ' Weyme ' of the said Whitsunday term, pertaining to him by reason of assignation of a Rev. father, William, Bishop of Aberdeen, Sir Mungo ' Lokert,' Mr ' Dauid ' Cuperdale, and Mr Alex. Tower, Archdean of Dunkeld ; and ordains that the bailies there to distrain said persons and tenants their lands and goods for the said malis, and they were lawfully summoned to personally appear, and having been oftimes called and did not compeer." — Acts of the Lords of Council^ Civil Cases.

One of the tenants of Sir Robert the Menzies, Duncan Charlisson, who was on the list of those who had not paid their " mails" in 1484, was again, in 1492, for some offence not mentioned, brought before the Lords of Council by virtue of a summons from Sir Robert, who, not appearing, the case was allowed to drop, as follows : " June 22. Before the Lords of Council appeared Duncan Charlisson, and pleaded that because Robert Menzies of the Enoch gert summons him at his instance for certain actions contained in the summons, and would not compere to 'folow' him there before the Council." — Acts of the Lords of Council, Civil Cases, P- 237-

2 January 1434 (ibid., 202) witness: Malcolmi Johannis gregorii = Gille-Coluim mac Eoin mhic Ghriogair w. delivery of sasine (in Latin) in the Glen Orchy lands to Cailean Campbell. This is consistent with Malcolm the chief being a son of Eion dubh and grandson of Gregor of the golden bridles.

16 October 1434 (AT) Alasdair mac Eoin mhic Ghriogair w. resignation by Eňghan mac Eňghain MacCorquodale, lord of Phantelan, to his overlord Donnchadh Campbell of Loch Awe. NB: This refers to Alasdair McEion VcGregor – this means that Alaster cannot be son of Malcolm as we have suggested in the latest tree and is indeed a son of Eion Dubh.

14 March 1449 (Breadalbane Muns., SRO GDll2/75/l) Pŕdraig MacGregor of Stronmiluchan w. grant by Eoin Stewart lord of Lorn to Sir Cailean Campbell of Glen Orchy. This is Patrick the chief the son of Malcolm.

17 December 1470 (AT) Eoin MacGregor of Stronmilchan is one of six men (described as “our beloved kinsmen”) addressed in a precept by Cailean earl of Argyll, to deliver sasine, as his baillies, to Sir Cailean Campbell of Glen Orchy, in one third of Lorn and other lands. This is John the subsequent chief, Patrick’s son.

21 June 1501 (Ibid.) Eoin Campbell is one of four baillies addressed in a precept by Gill-easbuig earl of Argyll, to deliver sasine to Donnchadh, natural son of Cailean Campbell of Otter, in the 40 merklands of Otter. Martin interprets this Eion Campbell as Eion McPatrick the chief at the time.

18 August 1502 (Ibid.) Eoin MacGregor of Glen Strae w. charter and precept of sasine by Gill-easbuig earl of Argyll in favour of Donnchadh Campbell of Glen Orchy, in lands of Knapdale. Once again John McPatrick the chief.

4 June 1536 (MacGregor, Coll. (Menzies Writs), SRO GD50/186/IIv). Alasdair MacGregor of Glen Strae w. gift by Gill-easbuig earl of Argyll to Eoin Campbell of Glen Orchy of the ward, relief and non-entry of the lands held by the Glen Orchy chiefs of the earls of Argyll.

12 December 1545 (AT) Alasdair MacGregor of Glen Strae w. contract providing for marriage of Gill-easbuig earl of Argyll with Katherine, daughter of Eachann MacLean of Duart.

12 April 1546 (Ibid.) Alasdair MacGregor of Glen Strae w. bond of manrent by Uilleam MacLeod of Harris to Gill-easbuig earl of Argyll.